Why Inclusive Communities Are Key to Mental & Physical Wellness with Kanndiss Riley (Ep 23)

Community is often the missing link in your dedication and enjoyment of exercise and happiness in life.

In todays episode we look at why Community impacts wellness & the power of inclusive spaces with Kanndiss Riley from NBE.

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Yes. Welcome to the Holistic Health Sisters podcast of Wellness and Real Life Sisters Hannah Carr and Sarah King from the Holistic Health Collective. In this podcast, we're going to be sharing our passion for, of course, holistic health, but also spirituality, healings, hormone, plant medicine, seasonal living, our love of nature, and our love of community. So we are gonna invite you to take a pause and take a nice deep breath. And join us on a path of healing, of self-discovery and self-love, and of stepping into the brilliance of who you really are. This is a podcast for the seekers out there. Those of you who know there's more to life than just surviving or going through the motions, and you want more, more health, wealth, happiness, love, compassion, connection, trust, surrender, and more faith, and you want that for others too. So we can make this world a better place for us all to go and grab a cup of ceremonial grade cacao and join us as we explore what moves through us, that which is divinely led, so we can all move from fear to walls, more faith. Thank you so much for being here with us today.

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So welcome back to the Holistic Health Podcast with Sarah and a special guest today. This is the space where we explore the many layers of wellbeing through mind, body, spirit, and particularly through community. So today's guest is someone who embodies holistic health through action and advocacy. So I'm really thrilled to be joined by Candice, the founder of NBE, an inclusive wellness. Space offering online and in-person social activities. And this is designed for people living with chronic illness and disabilities, but not limited to. So whether it's craft making box fit sessions, gentle Treks, or the amazing Friday Feasts and Rest Club gatherings, Candice has built a safe and joyful space where everybody really is welcome and have experienced that firsthand. So Canis is, a passionate fitness professional and also a black woman entrepreneur leading a community interest company that centers compassion, accessibility, person centered on intersectionality and cultural inclusion. And this is at a time when it's really needed more than ever. So today we'll be exploring how fitness can adapt to you, how disability and chronic illness doesn't mean the end of movement, and why building community is vital to collective wellness. So really warm welcome Candace. How are you today? Okay, thanks. How you doing? Yeah. Good. Thank you. We had, a really beautiful conversation before we started and I feel quite moved already, so I'm bringing some emotion into the space. Would you like to tell us how MBE came to life? What inspired you to create this inclusive space for people living with chronic illness and disabilities? And more than that, we'd love to hear your story. Yeah. It actually goes really far back. So the idea, the seed that, started everything was. I was at university and I trained to be a personal trainer and I got to immerse myself in spaces that worked with folks with different lived experiences. Those doing aqua aerobics who, had. Both disabilities, chronic illnesses and were part of the neurodivergent community, and I left uni to go get a real job, as we all do. Internship or postgraduate program and you're meant to stay in your niche. And I thought I was gonna become a lawyer. And the reason why I'm giving you all this beautiful context is I go on to do all these amazing things, never really touching fitness again. Oh, okay. Even strokes, the idea of becoming, Diane Abbott's next, person in line and join politics. So I learned so much and maybe that's what I needed. I need to learn about life. I need to learn about how budgets and the government spends or grants systems and things of such. I need to learn how, like society works. and. Get to the point where it is the year prior to lockdown, it's 2020. I head off to America'cause I'm going to work hopefully for big organization and I'm going to be part of the. Factory, as I always called, those who do work in large corporations, you're part of the mechanism of these giants happening. And I was gonna do that and I was gonna, maybe have a home and a little farm type thing. That was my goal, to have a farm one day. I need to have the corporate job. To raise the funds to buy'em a land and retire with a farm. And I get out to states and I'm talking with my uncle who's now passed, and he said to me, but why aren't you doing this wellbeing space? And I'm like, because I gonna make money, uncle. And he. Good people make money. That's how it works. It's not just that you do the work, but they will find ways to sustain you. People will donate, people will galvanize around good people. That's just how it works. And he is very, a wise man, very fundamental, was not shiftiness and we kept bouncing across it because he just. He just wanted me to believe it was possible. So he took me near the veterinary, home that he went to is for veterans who had found themselves homeless, or, range of adults but young people also who find themselves in the situation. They did like peer support. Different activities and things, and they also provided them with a safe haven. If you've got yourself into a situation they had knife dropping station, gun dropping stations, people could anonymously take themselves maybe outta these cycles of drugs or other things. And he was like, you see this business, it started, it's now all over the state. They have hubs all over. This is just the one that I go to'cause it's close and it's got good parking, gotta have good parking. And people just going, why did you start MB Fitness? I was like, because this was the seedling. I saw how something worked. I did also think, yeah, probably they're already rich. I was very cynical about how you can start these type of things. I came back to the uk, another aunt of mine, I. Inspired me. She does, fitness classes for, folks who have, additional needs. And I saw that she does these chair fitness classes. And so I said to all my colleagues, we should do some of these exercises'cause we're now in lockdown and we're all seizing up. We're groaning at the hard seats that we've got. And some of us didn't have the budget for nicer chairs and things in our homes. So I did all these classes showing them how to do chair yoga, how you could do yoga if you wanted to And I got into higher, position in the company I was working for. So now I was in senior leadership and I was really inspired by the fact these women who had fiscal, ability to have disposable income could then invest in blocks of time at lunch to go ride a horse. To go and, do some farming. Their, bubble included all of this, what seemed as expensive extracurricular activities. But in my upbringing and my parents, horse riding was never rich people stuff because once we all had to have horses to plow the fields, and it was this kind of weird juxtaposition that they weren't doing anything particularly rich. They were seen as wealthy because they could do that on their lunch break. Oh, so it Miami? Yeah. Time. Yeah, we're all in lockdown. So I approached some organizations to see if we could do things with IT. Staff in old people's homes or places where people weren't. Able to access these things, but maybe they could do it with their staff. Because I was teaching the residents of the, a retirement home, but the staff could get it. So then we like double whammy, Nice. And I don't have to come to you'cause you already have the screen in a residential home and then. It keeps going and I start getting paid and I'm like, oh, I'm going to have to do tax returns because I'm getting money from my day job. I'm getting money from doing this. And I had to get my financial advisor, who's now been my longest accountant for the business. And then she was like, you are getting to a point where you're gonna have to become a business. And I was like, what? And she was like, if you sign up as a cic, you could get grants and. And I was like, I don't know. I don't know if I can do this. And she put me on this course by Huling Hills and I told them my idea and they were like, what? You are gonna do this? Tell us you do it. Invite us to like your launch or whatever. Tell us that you just don't give up. I know it sounds. Unfathomable, but it's a brilliant idea. I met with one of my longest advisors to. Come up with a business plan. So we've now all come out of lockdown. Thinking about social distancing and things. And my advisor said to me, this is my lived experience. How would this company help me? And I thought about people like my father who had multiple different conditions. My mother, who's a carer. Who has her own, lived experiences, people who are friends or I knew through my parents who might have used walking frames but not have felt disabled. My advisor's question was so pivotal that I realized that for MB Fitness to exist, it was going to have to do something quite, different in that it has to advertise itself. As a space created by the person, not we have these things on you, we will fit you around it. Yeah. Rather, we want to put these things on, how does it work for you? And then we can put it on and then it should help you because you should be able to just sign up with quite a lot of confidence. And so we launched in 20th of October, 2021. We ran a crowdfund that wasn't successful. We only raised 1% of what we needed to get going. And Sports England, backed us. They said, we read your what you were trying to achieve. We saw that you didn't even reach the minimum threshold for us to, match fund you, but we're gonna match fund you anyway of your 1%. Did that'cause we can't see a project like this not happen because it didn't meet what it needed to. So I think I can say we got match funded, 500 pounds. But It was all right because I think, that's what we needed. We needed that confidence from, corporate society, so to speak, that we weren't crazy for wanting to create somewhere that is designed by people's personalized intersectional experiences. Yeah, and I'd love to direct listeners to check out your website and we should say where you are based actually,'cause you are online and in person, but where are you currently? Yeah, so we are really only doing work in Margate. But when we launched we were Manchester to Margate because the reside community we actually worked with is in Manchester. Ah. Okay. M to M to M. So there are existing, or, our first lot of audience and people who, it was invested in MB Fitness happening, were all the way to Manchester. So one day I bringing the north and the south together. Yeah. But yeah, right now we're only in Margate. So right now we are based, in, on Howard Road. Margate in Cliftonville. And you can come visit us at number eight. Excellent. And. Can has this amazing WhatsApp group as well, which is always, it's again, like you say, not just putting something out there and say come, but really asking questions and listening and getting the feedback and forming the experiences from there. And this weekend you've got something that I really wanted to come to. And actually the reason I can't is because a family member has recently become extremely disabled and I. I'm going to spend some time with her before I go traveling. And so I think it's important just to, have those conversations and to feed back as community. I love to come to your fruit picking and deal. Kent being the Garden of England, we should be having our hands, directly. On the soil or on the living food. And we can speak about that connection between nature, wellness and community. We will. But your experiences that you offer are really wholesome. And maybe you could just tell us in a little bit more detail, about what you offer. And hold on. I just wanna link to one of the questions. Maybe tell us about some of those common misconceptions about, fitness and disability that you come across that might be a perceived barrier into coming into some of these spaces. Yeah. For. Fitness. As I said, we create spaces from the demand or what our community say they can do. So for a long time we've tried to engage organizations like Blue Wave, who have, hydro pool, with a lot of really important equipment such as, adaptable, equipment to help those who may need, to be, craned or, supported in and out of the pool. They have something like assistant, railing. They have other, support offered even in, trained facilitators. We can help people when they're in the water. But because we do this kind of, work to ask the community, Hey, what would you, like support getting better at, it's quite interesting when, you have folks say they dunno what we do, because it's quite difficult to sum it up. So we use the word social activities. These activities are designed to be inclusive by design. We speak. Community, we'll ask them, Hey, if you would like to go, trek with us, do you need Nor Nordic walking poles? Would you like, assistance with BSL? Would you like to be paired for. Visual support. Would you like us to ensure that the place that we choose to track allows dogs even though they're not care support dogs? Because some spaces in, Kent don't allow, non, support dogs. Sometimes, it's a, it's a harsh line'cause people may find support from their, dog, or other forms of pets that support them, but they're not qualified. And so we look into all of this and we've designed activities around that, but also our provisions aren't all outside. It's a big misdemeanor with our organization. We do have, rest club and paws, which, don't always, live in the same space. But at this moment in time, we're moving into our new space in Harold Road, Margate. So you can be reassured that you can go onto our website and it'll be at the same place all the time. And those are, art or coughs or mental wellbeing exercises from, creating things from home waste. So it could be cloths that you make into pillows, towels we've made into bags. Pieces of paper, a newspaper, and we've created poems and things, and people can take those homes because they've designed something from scrap pieces of paper, collaging, all of these kind of things. We've done, to make people feel like they don't have to have a lot of money to enjoy being active. But the mis, to answer the second half of that question, the misunderstanding of. Disability, neurodivergency, chronic illness, chronic pain, or chronic long-term conditions. Is that, it's difficult. An easy cop out. I'm going to be rude. I'm, I apologize if that was slightly offensive to the listener, but I think it's a cop out. I'm not talking about for the person injuring the list. I say for the people who want to provide the provision, I think it's. difficult. It's difficult going into the same building every day and knowing that your boss doesn't respect you. So I don't think it's any easier, to say that you won't engage, disabled people because it's difficult to create a disabled toilet or a ramp or keep everything on it. Even, single floored, building or whatever. It took a long time for MB Fitness to find a space in Margate or than Kent. Even because finding somewhere that means that people, reduce their need to transfer from their wheelchair to use the facilities, being stone with ourselves even when people have gifted US spaces and going there's actually stairs to get in here, and so we can't, I'm sorry. Because it is not accessible. okay, my client has ms, and so maybe today, in this moment, they're going to cancel. And it is infuriating when you are thinking, I need to run these things and I'm funded and I want to show the value. I want to show people that people do want these things. But that's how MS is. So can we work around it? I think what you are touching on as well is like the body is a living, breathing process. It's not a fixed thing. So perhaps one day you may be able to walk a few stairs and then the next day you can't. And you are considering all of those needs and trying to meet those, which in my experience, this is something I am working on. Not enough businesses are doing this at all. Yeah, so thank you. And the level of education and connectivity and awareness, and even as a fitness practitioner, you bring rest into your sessions and like we were speaking about this, before we recorded and you told me a beautiful story which you may or may not wish to share, about your sports day. Oh yeah, I can do that. I don't that, yeah, she kind of marries in movement and rest. But it was quite a profound story. And you do run rest sessions within NBE as well, so would you like to speak about the importance of rest? Yeah. To speak about the importance of rest and then I'll tell the story. I think what we do, and I'll use the analogy I used earlier is we say we have bills to pay. So we keep going back into spaces that don't serve us and we don't see those spaces as difficult because they have an end to means. I think that's can't be of philosophy there. And the idea is that. the thing that you have to do is go to work in order to switch your light bill. So to pay your light bill so you can switch on the light. And then we don't feed ourselves the respect, the love in any shape or form. we don't say kind words to ourselves on the way. We don't sing, we don't dance, we don't hug ourselves. We don't receive hugs. we don't say to ourselves, I forgive you for what you are about to endure, because it's tough. It's a necessary evil that you're doing, which is going to somewhere you don't want to be because you know what you have to do. people may say, oh, this is a bit extreme. It's not people need to be for, a bit more, forgiving to themselves for having to, put themselves such to our Jewish processes.'cause some people end up actually leaving work because it was just too much having to do it over and over again. It was almost traumatic. Or is traumatic depending on the person. And it's accepting people when I've seen them after they've. Chosen to leave'cause they become my, participants. I often have people who are living with long-term traumas from, bad management from workplaces. They might have even been physically traumatized or disabled from these spaces. They may have been treated really badly, when they fell ill had cancers or, their, situation in life impacted them being able to do the job. So I've held onto some of these stories people have shared with me because it's so beautiful that they have, graced me with their truth and their experiences that's led them to have these long-term conditions. I learn. That if this is what's happened, I have to provide a space for them. I can't always get them to come to my boxing class or my dance class straight away. They might need to be an intermediate place. The art therapy also might still be too much still. That might not even be an entry point. So we created REST Club because it was almost like going on a retreat. We had a retreat day, but it was too expensive for our target audiences. We had retreats in London and Birmingham and we found that the people who we were talking to, regardless of where it was expensive. And we needed to bring it down and I had to do cost analysis and work out how I could do this in a day, a long day, up to four to five hours, but people would be up for that. And what we made sure is also it linked with a bank holiday or the time of each quarter so that people could justify giving up their Friday, but not a Saturday or a Sunday. And it worked. We provided a small intersection of society because that's who it is. People listening to this would go, okay, but if you are working a nine to five that we weren't. Planning on in, interacting with people who have a nine to five because, often we can engage them in a different way. Rest Club was created there for those, regardless of who they are, because we have got people who have nine to fives who don't have, traditional working days. So maybe they're nurses, maybe they're, teaching assistants, maybe they work for as a mechanic, I don't know. And their hours are different. And it lands on the Friday, they can come and they are so thankful for a space to rest and give thanks to themselves and be nice to themselves because they've gifted themselves what they needed. Story time. Yes, please. As a child, I had Beau I have and had,'cause it's just the same, beautiful parents who were parent to me. Quite militantly to live in. My truth, the militants of it is that you have to have your own set of values. I can't just take on theirs. Some of theirs was great, but you have to live by them and stick to them. They can adapt'cause you're gonna grow up and see how some of them might not fit in all the scenarios of adulthood, but your principles are your principles. And so my principle was I was a team player, so then you must be part of your team and don't let your team down. That's my principle, right? Everyone have their own, different ideas of what that looks like. And so if the principle is that, don't let my TV down, on that day, we had a, sports day and I wasn't feeling too well. My father asked me if it was because I was anxious or was having some type of mental turbulence that was creating me to feel like I couldn't do it, or if I genuinely needed to go home because I was ill. And obviously you are a young person. The fear of missing out, they don't wanna go home. But I also dunno if I can take part. So it comes to the next crux of questioning, which is okay, if you don't feel like going home, then you're well enough to take part. So then maybe what you need to do is reevaluate what you're going to take part in. You need to do the stuff that's self, glorifying. So like the sprint or the triathlon type activities I like to take part in, or are you going to continue with the relay? Understanding that the relay requires you because you're part of a team, they need four people to run. my team were kinda worried that I was gonna pull out because, I wasn't feeling too good. I ate, I kept hydrated. I watched other people take part in the other things that I was meant to do, and it came to the relay and we came first place. And so the question now was not just about the trophy of winning, it was about how was I going to replace that, feeling of sick. Was it because you were anxious? Was it because you are really poorly? Do we need to just double check if you're really poorly? Is it about okay if you are anxious, not, or not. Now that it's relieved because you've got that satisfaction of winning. Where do you pledge energy? Now? Do we look for stretching the body because maybe that ANGs is somewhere in your body, can end up, hurting yourself'cause you don't purpose properly. Do you take time to rest, do other activities so that maybe you will express your fears through coloring or play in the piano or something. Then you'll understand where that feeling of sickness came from. But remembering that you have to do that in life. Some something's gonna take a lot out of you. So now I work a lot with people who have different needs and, it's still. Means I have to give a lot of energy'cause I have to look after all of these different needs and keep all of these different factors in my head. But I must release all of that tension that comes from trying to make sure I create safe spaces for, people, and do things for myself, such as maybe just sitting and reading a book. Not feeling. Sarah said It's not selfish, but feeling selfish because you've decided that you're not going to go outside and meet up with a friend because you need to take this time back to, look after yourself because you've been doing so much for others. And so the activity is the solar activity of, reading a book, which might feel. Selfish for you at the time because your friend wanted to hang out with you. But you need to remember that capacity works like that and make, hopefully they're a good friend and they'll hang out with you another time. Thank you so much for sharing that story. An extremely wise man, and I can hear the thread of family around you gently encouraging you, supporting you. Offering that moral platform, but giving you space to explore your truth. And as we are chatting, it's actually a Sagittarius for Moon, and the reason I mentioned that is because I like to use nature as my cues to invite me perhaps to be more in with community or to check in with, oh, hold on, this might be a moment. In the cycle where it's good just to check in if I'm at capacity, if I've been burning out a little bit and then I need to go inwards. Sagittarius is the truth seeker as well. So we've got these archetypes of it. But I think using nature as a marker, rest club really. I can remind us like during autumn and winter, nature ain't trying to bloom and be on display the whole time. It is not going against the rhythm. And when us as humans do that, and when we do it collectively for a long time, we are burning mother earth. And so perhaps you could share a little bit. about the future of NBE. Are you ready to do that? There's some good things coming for, MB right now we're calling it MBE because there's going to be, some name changes. We're keeping the acronym NBE, what that means may change'cause it started off being Notori big energy to describe myself as the being. Moved it and we used the word fitness to bring together all of the ways we move, and allowing people to feel like we were on their wellbeing journey with them. And so that all forms of, exercise mattered. And often we, I, when I use small, we. So you don't have to feel included in this week, but we often ridicule people for walking instead of running do run. Like doing something like hit a hit class. But somatic movement is just as important. Grounding, standing in the grass, barefooted breathing exercises. Are important and you are not better because you're lifting weights. But I applaud you for being able to lift those weights and find your own peace in doing that. But we do live in a world where we we do ridicule people for not exercising and what we think is exercise. So MB is, changing. We're making sure that, as we said earlier, people really understand that where the space built to. create space for people to have a personalized experience with us. And we are going to be working with farms and, our new space has a quad, so we want to do activities there. To provide, people especially living with some of those long-term conditions with an additional space to be within our company to really develop rest out so that they can have it more.'cause they have arcs for more restful spaces, that just, it helps them to meter their. Progression in a different way from traditionally going from, halls or REST club, which are, rest for activity spaces tore and talk, which is our walking and activity, spaces for knowledge to our fitness classes, which was dance, both chair or, online participation. And flipping it to, regardless of where you are in your journey or how frequently you can partake in these activities, you could be swimming one week, but you then have to rest another week. And your journey of wellbeing hasn't regressed because you are in a resting activity. We're allowed to do all. As much and as frequently as we'd like a really important message. And thank you for holding space for that message. So I'd love to ask what keeps you going? You were. Born outta lockdown in times of social isolation. And, times do feel heavy still. Health inequalities, burnout, conquer and divide systems that we are living in. So how does your community support you and what keeps you going? I think what keeps me going is the community. When I get told stories of people who were isolated by their condition and now they use quite large words for me, which is I found my best friend. You feel quite like, I've won the lottery. Wow. I'm doing better than I'm gonna say this. It's very pompous of me doing better than the NHS. This person hasn't had a victory in their health cases. They're still going through different treatments and things to understand what's going on in their body, but I've given this person hope through a friendship that has got so far along to use the word best friend, and they're saying, I'm coming to your things and it is giving me something. That's major. And it again, it is pompous to say I'm doing better than NHS, but it's realizing that we are. As an organization right now are not intersected with the NHS. We're working alongside it to look after people's wellbeing, to support them in their, mental health, to provide social prescriptions so that people have another way of looking after their health. Then, medicated or, through traditional, talking therapies, because not. All folks going through a change in their life is really for therapies where they exchange conversations with a, licensed therapist. Some folks, might find dialogue even not the way that would be the best therapy for them. So we are providing other forms of, therapies. And also the fact that we are creating community, which some folks need more. They need the support of others to do what their, doctors and licensed medical, practitioners have asked of them. And I think that's what gives me that gumption to say, I feel like I'm. I'm doing my work and I'm having success where I know that some people, who work with, traditional medical spaces find that they're finding it difficult to see the successes, often in people's, long-term health conditions or, those who are, suffering with disabilities, through therapies that support them, to feel better. Thank you for sharing that because there's such this idea of individualism, I have to do it all. I'm weak if I reach out for support and this sort of, dialogue going on. And in fact, I completely used to be there. And when I used to go into more social spaces, for in quotations healing,'cause that's the way it was packaged, I would be so full of fear for being seen or speaking out or burdening others with what I, thought didn't really count as an issue. But now it is like we all stand shoulder to shoulder with each other, and when we see ourselves in a circle, when we see ourselves in each other, then we can collectively heal. What I find is necessity for shared, experiences. So I often, through our rest club or even our, physical activities such as the dance sessions, we share what people, will need to make the session adaptive. And sometimes you get someone who says, oh, I have cerebral palsy. And so what I do is I tap the rhythm and then that helps me feel like I'm dancing, even if I can't do the moves the same as someone else. And lots of people go, wait, you have cerebral palsy? I didn't know Cerebral palsy looked like. You and they feel a bit, did I use the right language? Did I just offend you? We've created community for discussion on how to support someone else and reverse. I'm gonna now do that because you've shared what you do with your lived experiences, someone with cerebral palsy. And also, I'm gonna keep this in my mind because I've learned, a different example. I've learned some BSL and I will do that maybe with someone else who may be, mute, or I didn't know I could use this to communicate with someone who may be ill. And they're, able to do this gesture, instead of having to communicate and use all of that energy to communicate when they're already maybe in a crisis or, energy, withdrawn. And I think it's that kind of small wins other people? Yeah, you see your face, it's like this is a big win, but it is small wins where you go. I've shared learning in my class for others to enact in society because that then helps someone else feel seen and the next time they're in a space where they're struggling. Or see someone struggling, they might be able to support one another. Beautiful storytelling is powerful and just come into a space with curiosity and willingness to listen and also to, get it wrong. Perhaps you do offend someone, but. You are able to be resilient enough to come back and say, yeah, sorry, I didn't get that but I'm really here for it. I want to learn and I want to grow and I want to be part of this community. Letting go of perfectionism, which you know. there shouldn't be a word perfect anyway, because we are human and that doesn't exist. So thank you for sharing that. I'd love to ask, what do you think that perhaps the listeners could do in their own lives to create more inclusive and caring communities be part of them, whether that's through work or wellness or even their inner landscape in their daily life? Big question. I think there's both the personalized experience on this and, working at community. At community. I think you have to work from where you are so the listener. Think about where you are. Are you someone who lives in a cul-de-sac or is it hamlet? And little town, are you, quite ostracized from doing big change in your opinion, but it might just be working with those in your space. So if somebody who lives in the square, does it have a greenery space? Does it have somewhere for you to come together as people living in the square to do some kind of joyous activity? Maybe it's with chalk and you put a little Skipping squares and allow people to do some hopscotch or I don't know, think about flower bed, vegetation, like a herb garden. It might not be massive, and it might be solo to you, right? So the hopscotch is in front of your house or the herb garden with a little label saying, take some. Is yours, and then that does things for others, makes them think or do within their means. I know I lived by someone who had a really good bird feeder and, it was in lockdown that someone, created a WhatsApp group for the street. They found out lots of people actually used to bird watch for, bird watch. You can get like the thing through the mail to look and say how many birds are in your area and things. And they found out that they were the one who cata the catalyst for that. And so realizing that the community were more communal than they realized, but it unfortunately in some demise it took lockdown for them to create the WhatsApp group. To be joined together. But I really liked that kind of idea that they were already somewhat joined because it wasn't massive vocal thing. And so I give that those two examples, to folks to figure out where in their line of impact they want to have. So I'm hearing take action. Even if you think it's small and you think it's not gonna impact anyone. Look at the person with a bird feeder and how it brought so much joy and perhaps unrealized until that WhatsApp group was formed. Don't try and be perfect about it. And one of our philosophies at Holistic Health Collect is imperfect action. Just do it. You can figure it out as you go along and improve it. Is there anything I haven't asked you that you would like to share? How could we support you? How could the listeners, support you if they wanted to get in touch? I'm always a big advocate for, you can email us at mb fitness@gmail.com. I think that email will be the email for some time. Can always comment underneath this podcast if it changes and I love email. You wanna suggest something, you wanna get in contact, you wanna ask us about donating, doing a fundraiser, email. I am very active on social media, so you can always find us there like share, comment under a staff. But your account is incredible. And can I just say, I love your branding and some of the colors that you use are orange, so they're like very vibrant and joyful. So please go give a and follow. What's your handle on Insta? So is MB fitness, everything is MB Fitness. Anywhere you want to find us, I'm sure we are there and making a impact, especially Facebook. Thank you for your time and your stories and what you've created as well. And I love, I can't wait to see where it's gonna go thank you very much.

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