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Holistic Health Sisters Podcast
'I saw my own energy field' after 4 days of silence (Ep 18)
Hannah created a 4 day silent retreat for herself after hearing the call!
Profound observations were made including her seeing her own energy field without trying!!
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Yes. Welcome to the Holistic Health Sisters podcast of Wellness and Real Life Sisters Hannah Carr and Sarah King from the Holistic Health Collective. In this podcast, we're going to be sharing our passion for, of course, holistic health, but also spirituality, healings, hormone, plant medicine, seasonal living, our love of nature, and our love of community. So we are gonna invite you to take a pause and take a nice deep breath. And join us on a path of healing, of self-discovery and self-love, and of stepping into the brilliance of who you really are. This is a podcast for the seekers out there. Those of you who know there's more to life than just surviving or going through the motions, and you want more, more health, wealth, happiness, love, compassion, connection, trust, surrender, and more faith, and you want that for others too. So we can make this world a better place for us all to go and grab a cup of ceremonial grade cacao and join us as we explore what moves through us, that which is divinely led, so we can all move from fear to walls, more faith. Thank you so much for being here with us today. How I saw my own energy after four days in silence. This is a solo episode with me, Hannah Car today, and I'm sharing my experience of four days of complete silence with you. There's so much to say. There's so much juiciness in this topic and I can't wait to dive into it with you. So I've had the idea drop into my mind quite a few times to go away and do a silent retreat. And really for me it's just about managing family and dates and what dates are available and where can I go and navigating that between, all the things with a family. So school holidays, family holidays, husband being at home. And in my sort of immediate future, I couldn't make it happen. And I was like, this idea is bubbling away so strong that I need to try and make this happen just by myself. So Sarah actually has a beautiful, space where she holds one-to-one retreat, where it's a place where she doesn't actually live. And so I asked if I could. Use that place and go away and create my own retreat. Now, I don't really know what happens on a silent retreat because we've never been on one before, so I just decided to create what was right for me. So for me, that meant no phone, no tv, no reading. And no journaling. I gave myself a little bit of a pass on the journaling, so I took my journal book in case I had any major downloads that I didn't want to forget, but I didn't have a practice of, morning pages or wanting to journal a lot while I was away. I wasn't actually trying to be with my thoughts. My intention was to be with my body. So I wanted to give my body all the nourishment it really desires, craves, deserves. I wanted to honor my body in a way that I feel I haven't got time to in my everyday life. So I actually decided to do a food cleanse while I was there as well, meaning feeding my body. The ultimate healthy food. So I was having juices, I was having, soups, I was having smoothies, and because I actually wasn't doing a lot, and I wasn't burning through a lot of energy, I actually didn't need to eat a lot. And often you find this, if you slow down in life, your body doesn't always need the amount of food that you think it might. So I had a, do you know one of those half size fridges? I had access to one of those under the counter fridges, and I probably filled about a third of the up with food. So like really quite a tiny amount of food, but. It was more than enough. And I told my kids that I was going away to do this silent retreat, and my daughter asked me, are you allowed to talk to yourself? And I thought I'd share this because I love the things that kids come out with. I wish I'd written a book just for myself, of all the funny things that my kids have said over the years, it's so entertaining. And she really made me stop and contemplate, am I allowed to talk to myself? I hadn't really considered it. So I said to her there's no rules. It's just whatever I want. So I'm gonna say, yeah. And she said to me, cheater. So I dunno what your opinion is on that. Do you think it's cheating, allowing yourself to talk to yourself? Sometimes on retreat I might have wanted to sing a bit of a song or hum a little bit, and probably if I was away on someone else's silent retreat, I wasn't allowed to do that. But I was allowing whatever wanted to flow through me to flow through me. So as well as the healthy food, what I really wanted to make time for was to honor my body to move in a way that felt really good for my body. I wanted to spend lots of time meditating. Sarah's one-to-one retreat space is less than a five minute walk from the beach. So it meant that I had lots of access to nature and I was able to. Go and spend time on lovely walks and have lots of early nights, and I was hoping that routine of early nights would allow me to. Wake early and easily in the morning, but I didn't set an alarm clock. I had nowhere that I needed to be, nowhere that I had to go, so I could literally wake up anytime that I wanted. And my natural wake time when I was there was about half seven in the morning. And when I then woke, I actually didn't wanna rush, even though I had nothing to do in bed.'cause I couldn't read and I wasn't looking at my phone. I actually just like to getting out of bed using the bathroom, and then going and getting a glass of water and then coming back to bed and just enjoying that glass of water. And so I had a little bit of a structure to my day, which unfolded naturally. many years ago I had done a natural eye healing course, so I'm extremely shortsighted, for anyone who wears a prescription. I'm about a minus. 13, if that means anything to you and what that means for those of you who it doesn't mean anything is if I don't have my glasses on, I can't see anything. If you are, even if you're standing, across the room, I could see that a figure would be there, but I wouldn't be able to say who it was. So I'm really quite drastically shortsighted, and I really honestly believe in my heart, in my soul, that we can heal anything naturally that we want to. And I come across this sort of literature years and years ago that one of the reasons you may become shortsighted is you're trying to protect yourself from seeing something. Also that's an emotional reason. Another reason is that your eyes are quite stressed. And there's a lot of exercises That you can do, and I say exercises'cause some of it is actually working the eyes and strengthening the eyes and getting'em to work in different ways. But actually a lot of the exercises says to teach your eyes and your body and your brain how to relax. So I guess a little bit like when you go to yoga, induce your vast at the end, which is the corpse pose, the lying down at the end, you're learning actually how to relax. And although that sounds crazy. that's actually quite difficult for me. So if I go to a sound bath, it's quite hard for me to just relax in a room full of people and go into a deeply relaxed kind of place. How is that for you as you're listening to me, just reflect upon that for yourself? My husband can walk in anywhere and just immediately fall asleep. I haven't got that level of, I guess it must be safety within my body. And so all these years ago, I'd done this course for my eyes and I learned everything that I needed to do. And honestly, what was true for me at the time was, although I completely believed in it, my kids were quite young and it wasn't really the time in my life where I could prioritize that. So for example, you have to spend a lot of time without your glasses on. And because I'm very shortsighted, that would mean for me, I obviously couldn't drive, I couldn't do any computer work. Even a lot of things like cooking, it would be quite dangerous for me to, I. Once I knew what was involved, I felt I'm not sure this is the time in my life that is, is the right time for me. And obviously we've got the convenience of glasses and contact lenses as well. So it's that kind of that shortcut that I've got this easy, quick fix at the moment, although it isn't a fix, so that was a lot of information to tell you that I knew that when I went away for these four days, I would actually have time to do some of those exercises. my routine looked like, I woke up in the morning naturally. I spent a little bit of time literally just relaxing in bed because I quite enjoy that and I could just having a glass of water. I then get ready, not like shower ready, but just throw some clothes on and leave my glasses on. So normally I wear my contact lenses and part of the eye healing is you need to, get sunlight to your eyes, but not through a lens. So not for a contact lens, a sunglasses or a glass or glasses. So I slowly walked to the beach in the morning, really mindfully, really noticing everything around me. And then I found a particular bench that faced the sun every morning. And so I would just sit there and I would take my glasses off. At this point, I wasn't wearing sun lotion either because Morning Sun is absolutely amazing for regulating hormones Yeah, to feel good. Who doesn't let the sun on their skin, right? If it's not the burning hot, sun. So I'd sit on this bench and I would take my glasses off. And when you do these eye healing exercises, you don't actually look at the sun with your eyes, but you close. There's different exercises you can do, but one of them is you close your eyes and you basically swing your head from one side to the other. You turn your head like you're saying, no, but slowly. And you allow the light to filter through your eyelids. And another exercise is you cover your eyes with your palms. So if you're listening, you're not driving, you might like to do it now, You cover your eyelids like you're playing peekaboo. So you cover your eyelids with your palm, so your incomplete darkness, and then slowly you let your hands start to filter the light in and then let the light come to your closed eyes. And so I'd done that every morning. That was part of my routine. But one thing I really noticed was. How slow I wanted to go, how tired my body felt that normally I don't tune into, do you know how we can be quite busy in everyday life and if you keep going you don't really notice your tiredness? When I slowed down I was like, ah, yeah, actually I really need this rest. And I'm at a point in my evolution, in my thought process, in my beliefs where. I'm not scared of that because I'm not scared that if I stop or slow down, I'm gonna need to do that forever. I know and trust that every single thing is a phase and it won't last, and it will just last as long as it lasts, and that's absolutely okay for me. So at that point I might have a little walk along the promenade if I felt like it very slowly. And then I would, come back to the space and I immediately done my morning exercise, which took about maybe an hour. And that included some breath work, some meditation, lots of shaking and tapping to move energy in the body. And some strength work as well. Although I will say by Sarah's, there's a lot more steps. I live in quite a flat area in a house so my legs were working quite hard, walking up a lot more stairs than usual, which was great for fitness. But I didn't feel like I needed to do too much strength work. I actually felt like my body wanted to rest from that quite a few days I felt oh, I could do with a little lie down now. And I don't mean asleep, but I just mean a rest. And again, I could just give myself permission'cause I had all day to feel right. So what else was I gonna do? I might as well fully listen to my body and what it needs, so I might lay down and take a little rest at that point. And then I would have like a bath or a shower and properly get ready for the day,. And, usually would I have a breakfast, a smoothie with some coconut water. Actually I had a little bit of granola in as well, so I think once or twice I had that as a snack or a breakfast. Was backup food in the cupboard in case I got really hungry. And that was like grain-free granola, all healthy ingredients. So I was quite pleased to have that there. I wasn't having cacao while I was away because I have a cacao every single day anyway. And I do think it's good to take a break from heavy fat sometimes, and also just to make sure that you're not, addicted to foods or needing foods. So that was great to have that break from that as well. And what I really want to share with you is I started to observe things that have always been there that I have never noticed before. So I'm gonna give you three examples. The first thing that I noticed was Intrusive thoughts. Intrusive thoughts is something that comes into your mind, I guess you could say. Like you are in resistance to you don't like that thought or you don't want it there. So an example of an intrusive thought for me was I went to the bathroom and it was so quick. The thought was so quick, it came in. What if a face smacked up against that window now and scared me and then it was gone. And because I was in silence and I had no distractions, I caught the thought. And what I realized was I think that these thoughts might always be here, but usually I don't notice them. And I contemplated how could I get rid of, these intrusive thoughts.'cause I'd caught a few of them and then I caught myself having that thought and said, we don't try to get rid of anything. We lovingly welcome, we bring curiosity. But I didn't need to worry about that because as I got more regulated. I felt more centered and more grounded throughout the time. The thoughts disappeared. So I think whilst I was still in fight and flight, or you might call it stress state or overthinking, or non coherence, those thoughts were there. But as I become more regulated, the thoughts became very peaceful. I need take a deep breath as I'm saying that'cause I'm having the feeling wash over me of being there in the silence. It was quite amazing. And so those thoughts disappeared. So the next thing that I noticed was I saw my own energy. I've never seen my own energy before. I didn't know what my own energy looked like and I wasn't trying to see my own energy. And if I think back, I think I may have seen it in those mornings when I didn't have my glasses on and I was out in nature. So those were moments of pure beingness, pure peace, and. Anything else, just like surrender to the moment. And so the way that I can describe it is, I think it's on a bit of a cold morning. I've seen it on fields before. when the morning's cold, but the earth is warm and then you see the mist that comes up? 17 and I caught a cab to my then boyfriend's house. I think it was early one morning. And I said to the cab driver, what's that coming off the field? And he laughed and he said, you're not a country girl, are you? And no, I wasn't. I was an urban girl and I hadn't driven past a field at that time in the morning at that point in my life. And he said, it's the heat. And that's what I saw come off my own body. I'll tell you another time I've seen it is when you first come out the sauna on a cold day, so obviously then you see the heat rising out of your body. But this wasn't, it wasn't like that. It wasn't, my body was, felt like the same temperature as the outside. Like it wasn't a cold day or anything like that. And like I say, I wasn't looking for it, but I saw it. And I think I saw it and it almost didn't register in my mind. And then I saw it again the next day. And then I think the third day I didn't see it and then I tried to see it. So I tried to look for it and I couldn't see it. and I think that's'cause I was trying, and then I just relaxed my eyes and was just gazing. Aimlessly just in front of me, and then I saw it. So I was like, okay, I can see it when I'm completely relaxed and I'm not trying, yeah, my body, my breath, my mind, everything has to be. Completely relaxed. I have to just be being, and I think that's the case with a lot of spiritual stuff, is the harder you try, the more elusive it is. I think the words I would use to describe it is surrender and trust. So you have to surrender. To the moment and what's coming through, and then you have to trust the information that's come through without questioning it. Yeah. So a third thing that I saw and that I observed, which I think has always been there, is as I sat in the sunshine in the mornings and I could see my own eyelashes again'cause I wasn't distracted by anything else. So I was really observing everything. So clearly is the ends of my eyelashes look like rainbows. So every time I blinked, it was like, yeah, like I could see rainbows. And it just really made me smile at the beauty of life. And I was thinking to myself, I think everyone can see this, but we just don't notice it. And I wrote down in my journal when I got high and I was like, rainbow eyelashes. And I actually mentioned that to my daughter. I said, I saw some things, I observed some things that I didn't, I don't normally see. And she said what? And I said, I had rainbow eyelashes. And she said, I get that. And so I think especially when we are young, we are tuned into these things and we do notice these things. I also became the observer of my feelings. This is something that I've been working on for, I'm gonna say quite a few months actively, but. More generally, quite a few years. So I've done this through Sarah's course, filling Wholeness, through working with a counselor. And then obviously when I was away in silence, it gave me a lot more opportunity to practice this. I went away, I was actually learning that when you have an emotion, sometimes it's incredibly subtle, That you will know, You might recognize if someone slams the door, you might recognize they're feeling irritated or angry or stroppy or however you might describe it. So that's obvious. Although it might not be to them in the moment. They might not actually stop and observe. I'm feeling angry, for example. But there's a lot more subtle signs of emotions and feelings. And one of those is body language. So it might be that you curl your toes or you, I don't know, fiddle with your hands. But another one is that your breath can change. And these are subtle signs that you are having. I have emotions that are very well hidden or a subtle emotion at the beginning of an emotion. And I actually went to a shop to buy something when I was on this silent retreat and I wanted to try and stay in silence. And as I was queuing, I observed myself curl my toes up. So I said to myself, oh, you must be having an emotion right now. And I was like, do you know what it is? I'm feeling uncomfortable that I'm gonna buy something, but I also want to remain in silence. Like I wanna honor my silence. And I was feeling quite uncomfortable about that. So I witnessed that emotion. Two emotions I witnessed for myself the most were irritation and one of those were around noises. it was quite an urban environment and by the beach there's a lot of, building works going on. as you are there on the promenade, I could hear some drilling By the flats, you can hear, bins being emptied and there's motorbikes that are down by the beach, and all of those noises brought up for me. Irritation. You could go to a retreat in a place that's a lot quieter where you're not gonna have that, or you could use it as a practice to observe these feelings and work with them through the body. So the other feeling that I witnessed a lot, and it was actually quite a surprise for me'cause I didn't know it was here that often, but it was sadness. there's A lot of memorial benches by the beach Because when someone's lost a loved one, if they love the beach, that's, a nice memory, isn't it, to put the bench there and to honor their life with a bench and to not forget them. And so as I walked past a bench and I was reading all the dedications, I felt sadness arise within me. As that feeling arose, I just really, instead of trying to hold my breath and push the feeling down, I really just breathe through it and it dissipated. But because I was in contemplation mood, I contemplated if I was young, let's say I was five or six or seven or eight and I walked past that bench, I would never feel sadness about it. But as an adult, I felt the sadness. So that must mean that the sadness is within me. So these were great practices in the silence to really observe my feelings. A deep level and have more self-awareness over which feelings are being constantly triggered for me and what is there for me to work on. So the rest of myself created retreat involved. I got to having a shower, didn't I? And then I would pop out normally again for about another hour. I could have done really long walks, but I actually just wasn't feeling it on those days. I was away, so I'd pop out for about an hour. I take a slow walk. Sometimes I'd lay on the beach, depended if the tide was in or not. I took a little mat out with me and then I'd come home for a little bit again, maybe have a little bit of lunch, usually another, lie down or a sit, meditation. I'd normally done a meditation by the beach actually as well. And then, so I'd go out again a little bit in the afternoon. Maybe do a walk or a meditation down at the beach and then come back and in the evening have just some light soup. I could have done things like, a sauna by the beach or a fire, oh, I'd done a yoga class one night, actually. Sarah held a yoga class. She was able to say to people that I taken a vow of silence. That was nice to have that space held. And what I really noticed was How much I actually enjoyed it. So it was challenges, like any good journey. There's ups and downs and there's bits that you enjoy more than others. But overall, I really felt like this is probably the first time in my life since I've had kids where I can do exactly what I want. I'm not considering anyone else. Had that, what do I want to do? What do I want to do? Really discovering what I want, need, enjoy, and I left to come home and I have to say, when I came home the following few days my first thought was I didn't really want to rush into anything. I wanted to make a phone call and tell someone about the retreat, but also I wanted to cook dinner and I was like, I don't actually don't wanna multitask because I'd gone from doing nothing. I was like, why do I wanna go back into the fast pace of things and actually I don't even feel the need to share that much. So I really was feeling, wholeness and oneness within myself and very happy, not the weight of the world my shoulders or a pressure in my chest of things that I need to get done. Just the happiness of existing. Yeah, it was really beautiful. Following that I was meant to be holding a retreat. So I'm holding small, let's call them boutique retreats that explore consciousness with, my good friend Hailey think I mentioned her on a previous episode, and something happened got home a couple of days after I home. I got. Gout in my big toe. I've never had this before. I've had tendonitis a few times. I think what we can say about gout is it's just inflammation, and that is what. Tendonitis really is, it's localized inflammation in the tendon, right? And I actually had slight tendonitis in my left shoulder when I came home from the retreat. And then I got this that was debilitating. It is like a pain that you just can't do anything. So my first kind of thoughts was, oh no, I'm meant to be holding this retreat. What am I gonna do? But actually, because my mind was in such a peaceful place, I was. Quickly and easily able to move away from that and just think, I don't actually know. So my experience of'cause my husband's had it quite a few times, is it can last many weeks. And I was like, I don't need to go there. In my mind, it could be gone by tomorrow morning. But the fact is, I don't know. So I need to let my co-host know that this situation is going on and I don't know the timeline. And when I called her to chat it through, Haley's amazing. She was just like, okay, because I said on the message, don't panic, but, she said, no, I'm not panicking. Let's just talk through the options. So we spoke through a few different options and one of those options was, could there be someone else that could co-host the retreat? It was gonna be extremely short notice because we was holding the retreat on the bank holiday weekend in May, and I think the retreat started on the Sunday, and this was a Saturday. It's who's gonna be available at that short notice? I definitely didn't think that Sarah would be, but I thought it was worth an ask. So sent her a message and she. Said that she was free and she'd love to do it, which was incredible. And it was like, wow, this is really like lean, got to lean into trust, here. And it seems like it's okay with Hailey and it seems like Sarah could do it if need be. And from that moment, the pain really started to increase where I couldn't be on the phone anymore, I couldn't be thinking about the retreat. It was like the pain was commanding or even demanding for me to be with it. And I've been doing a lot of work in the weeks leading up to that about being with my emotions. I mentioned that I've been doing it on this retreat itself, but I'd run a workshop on moving some emotions through the body. I'd put a brilliant playlist together. That event went so well, and so I laid on the sofa to be with the pain. Which really wanted to move through me in a very vocal way, wanted me to cry out, which in the past I would've been self-conscious about even in my own house. When you feel like it seems a bit dramatic, but I wasn't doing it to be dramatic. I was doing it because that was the authentic expression of the pain. So I was on the sofa and I was crying out and ugh, frustration of the pain. And my husband come and, helped me. He said, you need to move your foot high. You need to move your foot high. And I said, I can't move it. And as I said that, I broke down into wailing. Tears, something that I can't think that I've ever done as an adult, but if I have, it certainly hasn't been for a very long time, like really allowing myself to go there. And he was hanging over me at the time, and I could hear my eyes were closed at this point. I could hear his voice breaking in this is painful watching you. And in that moment I had an inspiration, which was, oh my gosh, I know what to do. quick, go and get my earphones. And I was like, what I need is drumming loud music in my ears to let me really be with this pain. And also drumming, it helps you kick, it helps you punch it, it motivates you to move energy. And although I couldn't move because this was in my foot, and so I couldn't stand up and all that kind of thing, I was on the sofa. I think I put an eye mask on at this point. I turned up the music really loud and I just said to my family like, just ignore me. This is what I need to do. There was one point when my husband come in and said if the pain is this bad I've not used like medication in 10 years probably. And he said, I have got some painkillers if the pain's that bad. And I was like, no, this is amazing. Like I'm on a complete journey, like I'm just. This is amazing. Leave me alone. And so I stayed with the pain and some of the messages I got. There were many messages that came through, but one of them is a pain is an amazing messenger and we try and avoid it at all costs. So whether you're like me and you try and heal pain naturally, I've been doing a lot of things that day. I'd done a ginger, a ginger pack, like a compress on my foot to pull the heat out. I'd be doing hot and cold, therapy, water therapy. I had taken some cherry juice. I had a celery juice that morning. Like I've been doing a lot of natural things to heal, and what I got was like, people are either Suppressed and ignoring pain. If it's not too bad, medicating it to avoid it. If it is, very commanding or trying to do natural healing like me and all of those things are not being with it. And there are so many messages in the pain. And one of the messages that came through for me, which was. So excited about was,'cause I was still feeling quite guilty about this retreat was, you were never meant to go on this retreat. This was a test for you and Hailey to see how much you can surrender and trust into this situation. And, bigger and better things are gonna come for you because you are showing the universe, showing yourselves that you can handle challenging situations with grace and with ease. And in that moment, I had a perspective shift, right? So my perspective before was, I feel guilty for letting Haley down. Can I do this? Like I'm putting a lot on my sister. So shame and guilt, which moved into, oh my gosh, I'm so excited not to go because I'm showing the universe that I'm able to surrender. How exciting is this? And from that moment over the next few days, I had so many perspective shifts like that. It's really made me understand at a deep level that. Everything is viewed through the lens that we are looking at a situation and you can look at exactly the same situation through a different lens and have a completely different feeling and therefore result. So that was just one example this weekend about the pain. Whilst I was in the pain, I had this quite horrible experience of a face. It was actually my husband's face coming towards me very quickly and it really made me jump out of my skin. And after the experience I reflected on that and was like, so I. Saw a face at the window in my mind that was the intrusive thought on the silent retreat. And then I've had a face come quickly towards me while I was in this pain. This was like, an image, like a vision this time, what is the message? And initially I was a bit fearful of it. And then through a bit of inquiry, I was thinking maybe some things trying to get my attention. I was offered a line of inquiry about it.'cause I also had another deep realization recently about the fact that we are all one. And yes, I know that anyway. I've read it in many books, but I actually understood it and felt it as an embodied level. an inquiry that I was given was, what if the face was you? so I went down that line of inquiry with myself. What if the face was me? So I sent a face to me to make myself jump. Why would I do that? And I was like, okay. I would do that to. Change my thoughts in that moment to maybe help me jump, maybe have a quantum leap, maybe jump a timeline, maybe stop a line of thought that I was having. that brought a lot more peace to those faces that I've seen than my initial thoughts of feeling a little bit scared. So that was very interesting. The other thing that moved through me whilst I was in a state of pain was loads of ideas about a new offering. It's a new course, it's a new healing modality. It's something that could be at festivals. It's something that could be workshops, but it requires a lot of trust, surrender, courage, faith in myself. So I was very excited about this whole experience of surrendering. Pain on what came through and ultimately the whole gout experience. There was one very intense day, which was the day I'm explaining to you now. The next day I was probably, the pain level was probably 60, 70%, but the two days of the starting day and the ending day were very mild. So the whole experience lasted four days, which I know. My first experience of tendonitis lasted weeks. My first husband's experience of gout lasted weeks, and so I know that this was incredibly quick to move through me, and I think that's because I fully allowed the full experience without trying to push it away. And so I really think that there's a lot of value in that. Not to say that you have to sit with pain, but could you ever be curious us that if pain did come knocking, that you could choose at least once in your life? To experience it to your maximum capacity. We have modern ways of ending pain, don't we? That you can utilize if you need to. We don't have to stay in pain, but also could we be cure enough to explore it? So I'd love to hear any of your feedback, any of your questions, any of your contemplations, anything similar experiences that you've had. Anything to do with silence. Anything to do with pain. Drop us a message. We're on Instagram at Holistic Health Collective uk. Actually, we're also at Holistic Health Cacao uk. So you could message us on either of those accounts. Sarah and I do run regular retreats anyway, but we've actually received a message from our good friend Haley.'cause Sarah stepped in this weekend. The retreat went amazingly with them. They've had amazing feedback from, our attendees to that retreat. And Hay's actually presented the idea of us hosting a silent retreat, which is something that I've been thinking about for a while. And then obviously I've done my own silent retreat, which went so well and I can really see the value of it for, especially for our ladies that who have already worked with us. And it wouldn't be solely only open to people that have worked with us, but people have already started the journey and they're ready to take it to the next level. And they know that inwards journey is very powerful. It looks like it's gonna be coming, so I'll tell you what I'll share in the show notes. We do have a retreat wait list, if I share that in the show notes and you are interested, you could register on that wait list and when the details are out, we could share it with you. But we have a stunning venue in Cambridge. I've recently run, an event there at this venue and it really is truly beautiful. they've got a sauna in the garden. an ice bath, a treatment room. a gorgeous garden and some really nice bedrooms. There's some shared bedrooms, so that means the cost can be a little bit more affordable. I think we're gonna be doing the silent retreat. So join the wait list if you're interested, and we can let you know when that's happening, and we'd love to hear any feedback on this episode. Thank you for joining us, and we see you on the next podcast.